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Thank you for commenting on my ink article. In your comment you stated: "Many poskim disagree... Many rishonim have clearly stated the use of our ingredients." Would you please be kind enough to teach us (so I can include it in the article) which Poskim and what exactly and where did they say that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן that does not fail? We are not interested in biased פילפולים , or in those who said that דיו עשן is not being used because it fails easily or because it was not known how to make good quality דיו עשן. Nor are we interested in those who said to use עפצים וקנקנתום וגומא ואין לשנות when they discussed specifically the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink. We are interested to find out where and who (if any) said explicitly, based on sources, that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן , even when there is דיו עשן of good quality that does not ...
Hi Dovid,
ReplyDeleteThe first one of YIFTE - pasul (definitely lost the TZURA of the OT)
The second of VEHAYU - appears to pass if one reduces it to its normal size.
As to the ALEF of AF, it is KASHER - the left bottom foot does not appear stuck to the body of the letter as there is a very tiny YERECH.
More so, if the ROSH of the bottom YOD were to have been stuck, we still would not invalidate it (as we would do with the top YOD); and the ALEF is KASHER as is.
Alberto,
Delete"More so, if the ROSH of the bottom YOD were to have been stuck, we still would not invalidate it (as we would do with the top YOD); and the ALEF is KASHER as is." - is not correct. There isn't any difference between the bottom yud or top one, on the principal pasul of ngiya to the guf of the letter.
Dovid,
ReplyDeleteThe yud of yifte I think is kosher and should be fixed.
The yud of vehayu - is pasul, it has no tzura at all.
The alef should be fixed.
I'm not sure about the yud of yifte as it resembles a small sefardi chet which is specifically warned against. Agree with the v'hayu being pasul as no tsura and alef is kasher and could be fixed.
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ReplyDeleteI think we had this quesion of a broken yud [as vehayu] sometime ago on the forum, I don't have time to check. In any case it is good to bring things up again.
Since I followed Reb Moishes discussion abou the yuds without guf,(Perhaps somebody can dig it up and post the link )I agree that the second yud is pasul and the first can be corrected
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