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Klaff Tanning question:
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Rabbi Eli Gutnick
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I received this question via email. I am not really a klaf expert, I was wondering if anyone could answer this question: Dear Rabbi Gutnick, I am writing to you because a good friend of mine has put the idea into my head that the klaf in my tefillin were not really tanned and therefore are not kosher. He referred me to Megilla 19a re diftera. From the research that I have done so far, it seems that the klaf that is used today is tanned only with a lime wash. On all of the tanning websites I’ve seen so far, they say that the lime doesn’t accomplish tanning but only the removal of the hair and some other pre-tanning effects. Would you be able to explain to me or refer me to a website that explains how the tanning process that is used today takes the hide out of the category of diftera? Thank you very much.
The forum is back online...for reference and research purposes.
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Rabbi Eli Gutnick
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Dear Readers and Members, The forum has been down for over 6 months because the domain name (www.stamforum.com) lapsed and it is no longer available to re purchase. Although this forum is now defunct (it has morphed into several whatsapp groups), I have had many requests to put it back online because it contains so much information (over 1,800 posts and thousands of comments in the discussions, on a wide range of topics related to STa"M). I have therefore put the forum back online at blogger, so the address is www.stamforum.blogspot.com. The forum lasted for a decade...not a bad effort! It was pretty popular back in the days before whatsapp and managed to receive over a million hits in it's short life. It was one of the only organised forums in the STa"M world and definitely the largest in it's heyday. I would like to thank all those who cobtributed over the years, particularly the early members who helped build it up. Thanking you all, Eli
Hi Dovid,
ReplyDeleteThe first one of YIFTE - pasul (definitely lost the TZURA of the OT)
The second of VEHAYU - appears to pass if one reduces it to its normal size.
As to the ALEF of AF, it is KASHER - the left bottom foot does not appear stuck to the body of the letter as there is a very tiny YERECH.
More so, if the ROSH of the bottom YOD were to have been stuck, we still would not invalidate it (as we would do with the top YOD); and the ALEF is KASHER as is.
Alberto,
Delete"More so, if the ROSH of the bottom YOD were to have been stuck, we still would not invalidate it (as we would do with the top YOD); and the ALEF is KASHER as is." - is not correct. There isn't any difference between the bottom yud or top one, on the principal pasul of ngiya to the guf of the letter.
Dovid,
ReplyDeleteThe yud of yifte I think is kosher and should be fixed.
The yud of vehayu - is pasul, it has no tzura at all.
The alef should be fixed.
I'm not sure about the yud of yifte as it resembles a small sefardi chet which is specifically warned against. Agree with the v'hayu being pasul as no tsura and alef is kasher and could be fixed.
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ReplyDeleteI think we had this quesion of a broken yud [as vehayu] sometime ago on the forum, I don't have time to check. In any case it is good to bring things up again.
Since I followed Reb Moishes discussion abou the yuds without guf,(Perhaps somebody can dig it up and post the link )I agree that the second yud is pasul and the first can be corrected
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