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Mendela, Perhaps you can ask Rabbi Yossi Altein (a relation of yours?) to shed some light on all this and what is accepted in this regard in CH
ReplyDeleteNote also the psakim of Razash sent out lately, psak 20-24.
ReplyDeleteI would like very much to ask the maechaber of the kovetz if when he received psak 20 - 24, was regarding a shel rosh or shel yad?
Deletei spoke to my father (Yossi Altein) and to rabbi zirkind (maechaber of the kovetz) and nobody seems to be mechalek between a yad and a rosh.
ReplyDeletehowever they are mechalek if (in pshutos) the flaps go underneath the leather pieces then you can say the bayis continues till there and its kosher (even a rosh).
Mendel
Delete"(even a rosh)" are you sure??
It sounds like a mistake, only b'yad the pshutos extend inside down to the bottom titura can be considered the extension of the bayis [this also isn't pashut at all, but at least I understand the possibilty]. But in the rosh the mechitzos between the batim are not kayom, so there is no tefilin shel rosh under the upper titura line (in pshutos).
"But in the rosh the mechitzos between the batim are not kayom" im not sure what you mean,
Deletedo you mean on the inside or that thair not nicar bachutz?
since in pshutos (and in all old tefilin, dakos and gasos) the mechitzos [that seperate each bayis in the rosh] inside only descend till the top titura level and not lower [only lately some manufacturers starting doing miksha rosh that the mechitzos of the rosh descend till the bottom titura] it is impossible that lower than the michitzos shall be considered a bayis shel rosh. so the parshiyos descending lower than their mechitzos into the challal [hollow] of the titura are not at all in their bayis, and is pashut that this is pasul according SA AR (32:55) u'bpashtus m'doraysa.
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Deleter' moshe you are correct, all im saying is that a shel yad in the situation you describe is not acceptable however if the mechitzos go down to the bottom of the titurah then its fine.
Deleteif you look in zichron eliyaho page 15 he has good pics and you will see what i meant when i said "flaps" (the flaps and the mechitzos end at the same point).
Bottom Line: What do they say about parsha sticking a few mm's into the titurah in shel yad, when it is still sitting in the same ohr as the bayis?
ReplyDeleteand can one hallow the top of the bayis a few mm s using a sanding disc on a dremmel?
Deletein gassos only and with great care!
DeleteNote that the concern (based on the Shla) is the ksav going into the titura. Hence, if there's 1-2mm of blank klaf at the bottom of the parsha that can go into the titura. While this is generally not an issue with parshios shel rosh since they're shorter, this extra blank klaf at the end of the shel yad can make the difference, even though I find that almost chalalim of batim shel yad are too shallow by quite a bit more than a few mm and requires careful drilling. A good batim macher can/will do it for you, possibly for a small additional charge.
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