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Much human suffering and devastation in the aftermath of Sandy. Another victim was a shul in New York as their Sifrei Torah were water-damaged. Click here for article and picture.
My heart goes out to them and all other families that have sustained losses due to the storm. It is a hard and trying time. Yet above all, we must remain grateful for the blessing of life, even with all the travails that it brings.
From the pictures on the news article, it is apparent that water damage to the scrolls is pervasive. Attempting to repair them, appears as a misuse of hard earned community resources. Likewise, it places and extra and unnecessary burden on these already hurting communities. It is my opinion, that their rebuilding efforts would better directed by purchasing new scrolls.
If they were written with דיו לנצח nothing would have happened to them. They would remain kosher. Here is a picture of water flowing over a klaf written with דיו לנצח : http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pwSDH6rpzyM/Tu5AAih5G2I/AAAAAAAAAIs/kB-JvduNAMc/s1600/wet3a.jpg
Dear Zvi, as far as one can see in the photos, situation of the ink in these seforim is not so bad. Maybe they also remained kosher. Maybe good old ink makers knew something as well?:-)
Six Sifrei Torah were damaged. Here, on the left, is a closer look at one of them. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-e0A75JxyVN8/UJXdk-hGajI/AAAAAAAAATc/mHw8jiWNPGk/s640/flooded-torah.jpg
Dyoy lonetzach is great if a drop of water sprays on it, but in such a situation you need klaf lonetzach as well.... I got a pair that went through the flooding, the letters were fine but the klaf was ruined beyond repair it became stiff and black... as well some acid somehow got in, maybe sea salt? and ate through the klaf in a few spots it was interesting because the letters were complete but parts of the letters were hanging over the holes... I showed it to HaRav Vosner and said its possul regardless because even though it doesnt need to be mukaf gvil leachar hakesivah the letters need to be written on klaf.
In today’s day and age, virtually every kosher product available to the consumer comes with a hechsher. By hechsher, I mean an official and recognised rabbinical body or agency that certifies the kashrus of a product, be it a food item or a religious article. Hechsherim play a vital role in providing consumer confidence, and something branded by a reputable kashrus agency will be considered more legitimate than a similar product that does not. The agency has rigid policies and protocols in place to ensure correct standards are met, and they are independent of the manufacturer so that there is no conflict of interest. As we have discussed on this forum previously, there is a distinct lack of official hechsherim on Sta”m products - Tefillin, Mezuzos and Sifrei Torah. Even the Vaad Mishmeres Sta”m, the oldest and most well- known rabbinic agency in the Sta”m world does not certify products. They test and ordain sofrim and magihim (examiners), offer a computer checking service (sp...
Last week I posted some thoughts in response to a public lecture given by Rabbi Reuvain Mendlowitz regarding Ksav Chabad (the Alter Rebbe's ksav). I felt he did not represent the issue fairly, and since I had received questions about it from a number of people I felt it made sense to write a general response. After I posted my response on this forum, Rabbi Mendlowitz reached out to me by email and we ended up having a respectful and productive email exchange regarding the relevant issues surrounding Ksav Chabad. His position is a lot clearer to me now, and I think he also took certain things on board that I clarified with him. The purpose of the Stam Forum (at least back in it's heyday before all the whats app groups took over) was to connect sofrim from around the world, to promote achdus and build bridges, as well as to offer support and advice. In that spirit, I felt I should write a follow up post, to clarify some of the issues and misconception...
We all know that there is no ancient source that requires ink to be מן המותר בפיך . Possibly, as said here before, because in the olden days ink was always מן המותר בפיך and the question was never raised. It was probably self-evident. Nowadays, no decent Rav will approve an ink which is not מן המותר בפיך . Who was the first one to raise this question? Was it raised because of animal ingredients or because of non-kosher wine?
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ReplyDeleteMy heart goes out to them and all other families that have sustained losses due to the storm. It is a hard and trying time. Yet above all, we must remain grateful for the blessing of life, even with all the travails that it brings.
ReplyDeleteFrom the pictures on the news article, it is apparent that water damage to the scrolls is pervasive. Attempting to repair them, appears as a misuse of hard earned community resources. Likewise, it places and extra and unnecessary burden on these already hurting communities. It is my opinion, that their rebuilding efforts would better directed by purchasing new scrolls.
Lets hope they were insured
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DeleteIf they were written with דיו לנצח nothing would have happened to them. They would remain kosher. Here is a picture of water flowing over a klaf written with דיו לנצח :
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Dear Zvi, as far as one can see in the photos, situation of the ink in these seforim is not so bad. Maybe they also remained kosher. Maybe good old ink makers knew something as well?:-)
ReplyDeleteSix Sifrei Torah were damaged. Here, on the left, is a closer look at one of them.
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The sefer on the picture on the left is damaged indeed. HaMakom yemale chesronam.
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ReplyDeleteDyoy lonetzach is great if a drop of water sprays on it, but in such a situation you need klaf lonetzach as well.... I got a pair that went through the flooding, the letters were fine but the klaf was ruined beyond repair it became stiff and black... as well some acid somehow got in, maybe sea salt? and ate through the klaf in a few spots it was interesting because the letters were complete but parts of the letters were hanging over the holes... I showed it to HaRav Vosner and said its possul regardless because even though it doesnt need to be mukaf gvil leachar hakesivah the letters need to be written on klaf.
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