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Klaff Tanning question:
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Rabbi Eli Gutnick
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I received this question via email. I am not really a klaf expert, I was wondering if anyone could answer this question: Dear Rabbi Gutnick, I am writing to you because a good friend of mine has put the idea into my head that the klaf in my tefillin were not really tanned and therefore are not kosher. He referred me to Megilla 19a re diftera. From the research that I have done so far, it seems that the klaf that is used today is tanned only with a lime wash. On all of the tanning websites I’ve seen so far, they say that the lime doesn’t accomplish tanning but only the removal of the hair and some other pre-tanning effects. Would you be able to explain to me or refer me to a website that explains how the tanning process that is used today takes the hide out of the category of diftera? Thank you very much.
The forum is back online...for reference and research purposes.
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Rabbi Eli Gutnick
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Dear Readers and Members, The forum has been down for over 6 months because the domain name (www.stamforum.com) lapsed and it is no longer available to re purchase. Although this forum is now defunct (it has morphed into several whatsapp groups), I have had many requests to put it back online because it contains so much information (over 1,800 posts and thousands of comments in the discussions, on a wide range of topics related to STa"M). I have therefore put the forum back online at blogger, so the address is www.stamforum.blogspot.com. The forum lasted for a decade...not a bad effort! It was pretty popular back in the days before whatsapp and managed to receive over a million hits in it's short life. It was one of the only organised forums in the STa"M world and definitely the largest in it's heyday. I would like to thank all those who cobtributed over the years, particularly the early members who helped build it up. Thanking you all, Eli
They are patur, they are decorative only and not doorposts.
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DeleteThank you, but it strikes me as odd though for it possible a room should have no door/entrance way?
Deletein this case it seems patur however often the posts are set in a way that they resemble three enterances and then all need mezuzos.
ReplyDeleteThere is not Tzurat Hapetach here. There are two parallel walls with a place where the ceiling comes down. The columns are only there to hold up the ceiling not the create a doorway.
ReplyDeleteIt seems quite clear to me from this picture that had the builders been able to they would have preferred not to have these columns at all but they were necessary for structural reasons, not to divide the rooms.
I agree that this should be patur.
I was thinking about this a bit more. Let's say there would not be the two columns in the middle only the one on the right. We would probably put a Mezuzah. Assuming that is so, we should probably still put one at least there and disregard the other two columns which are only to hold up the ceiling.
ReplyDeleteR. Moshe, what do you think?
The one on the right is also only for structural reasons. It isn't a tzuras hapesach at all.
DeleteBut there is a wall 10 tefachim high on the right which makes gud asik and so perhaps the column is considered like it is the end of a solid wall. This is together with the ceiling descending which is considered like a mashkof.
DeleteAaron, look at the whole picture, it is obvious that the right column isn't a doorpost, but part of the decorative/structural build of this divider.
DeleteEven if considered an end of the right wall, still there is no doorpost from the right [since this column doesn't enclose any part of the petach] and definitly not from the left side.
Therefore this whole opening is patur.