Double kuzu - in back of mezuza
1) since these shemos are not me'akev at all the mezuza, it is kosher with 2 kuzu.
2) it was permitted to erase the first kuzu [more accurate from the (lacking) samech down], since these are not true 'shemos' that are forbidden to erase, rather 'kinuyim' (other secondary/derivative names) that are not kodesh and permitted to be erased for great need as tikun. That should of been done rather than write a second one.
if it is acceptable to erase the kuzu, why don't the sofrim who have the shtik to lift the kuzu to the light to see if they are mechuvonos (and if they are not mamash os keneged os they make the customer buy new mezuzos0. - why don't they just ersase and rewrite and charge a few dollars for this "hiddur"???
ReplyDeletecause elishev..... would rather not work hard
ReplyDeleteThere actually may be a shaila since it is on the other side of the shem -does the shem koine mekomo through and through.
And if the shaim is kone mwkomo 9all the way through the klaf), how could you write the kuzu there to begin with? (kuzu is not considered shaimos)
DeleteIf it was only E it would be ok but seems some other sofrim have adopted this "chumra".
ReplyDeleteIf you are correct, that the shem is kone all the way through (never heard of this - any source?) and you therefore cannot erase the kuzu then the kuzu is in the correct place anyway (ie back of the shemos)which is exactly what the rama says to do!
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DeleteThe reason why it annoys me is because there are so many other basic halochos that are neglected which affect the kashrus (and are actually even possul according to many opinions, including rishonim, such as lamedim which are chof yud and too much space between words), but these sofrim ignore all that, but when it comes to checking the kuzu suddenly they are all machmir using lightboxes and microscopes
Deletesorry if I'm ranting
Source of "קונה מקומו"
Deleteקסת הסופר יא יא
he learns it from
ערכין ו. תוספות ד"ה יגוד
Reb Moshe, what's your opinion on koine mekomo?
DeleteThe shem is kone mekomo only in regard to writing from the first side of the klaf, not the opposite side. Otherwise it would be forbidden in the first place to write the kuzu.
Deletebut if you scratch to erase the kuzu it will go a little into the klaf and then when you write the second kuzu it will possibly in the makom that was kone by the shaimos
DeleteThe shem is kone only in regard to if written on the place of the shem facing that side [IE, if something would be written on the original place of the shem], but in regard to what is written on the opposite side it isn't kone.
DeleteRabbi Shtern discusses this in "ביאור הסופר" and his מסקנה is..."צ"ע"
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