Thank you for commenting on my ink article. In your comment you stated: "Many poskim disagree... Many rishonim have clearly stated the use of our ingredients." Would you please be kind enough to teach us (so I can include it in the article) which Poskim and what exactly and where did they say that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן that does not fail? We are not interested in biased פילפולים , or in those who said that דיו עשן is not being used because it fails easily or because it was not known how to make good quality דיו עשן. Nor are we interested in those who said to use עפצים וקנקנתום וגומא ואין לשנות when they discussed specifically the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink. We are interested to find out where and who (if any) said explicitly, based on sources, that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן , even when there is דיו עשן of good quality that does not ...
if he is checking his own mezuzot i would not buy from him since he is "noge'a b'davar".
ReplyDeleteWell the Shulhan Arukh writes O"H 32:21
ReplyDeleteכל פרשה אחר שיכתבנה (קד) יקראנה היטב בכוונה ודקדוק פעמים ושלש, ויחזור ויקראנה קודם שיתננה בתוך ביתה, כדי שלא תתחלף פרשה בפרשה.
The Yeriat Shlomo writes(P 294)
אף מעיקר הדין די שהסופר יבדוק את הפרשיות פעמיים שלוש קודם הכנסת לבתים...
As far as being nogea b'daver the same can be said with Hagaha and Bedikat Machshev. Those making those psakim, and pushing for them, are by and large the same Rabbanim who run the organizations that give courses and charge for your bi-annual test.
Rabbinut ruled(can be found in Pskei Din, Dinei Mamon Vol 1 page 125) that there is no Chiuv for the Sofer to do a computer check of any sort unless the customer specifically makes that request at the time that the initial payment is made.
While admittedly all(or nearly all) the achronim have said that an item should be checked by at least one other sofer, and preferably an expert maghia, m'ikar hadin there is what to rely upon.
R Michael can you please clarify what you mean by "As far as being nogea b'daver the same can be said with Hagaha and Bedikat Machshev."? I didn't understand...
ReplyDeleteThe reason for the Sofer to read his parshiyot is for chaser veyeter.
As R Michael brought, there's room to rely al pi hadin if the Sofer does this himself. (Even though it may be unwise because its much easier to miss your own mistakes - theoretically it's possible to effectively check your own work)
But regarding tzurat ha'ot and any other potential problems, unless the Sofer is also a qualified magiha I would never trust his checking, regardless of whether its technically halachicly ok...I'm sure we have all heard or seen sofrim make mistakes or write in a bediavad or Pasul way, purely because they don't know hilchot tzurat haotiyot well enough.
At the end of the day, even if ok m'ikar hadin, it may be still a risk the consumer is taking.
Is it common practice amongst sofrim to do this sort of thing when selling "pashut" or non mehudar Stam?
ReplyDeleteYou can buy from him but then have them checked by a magia, preferably 2 and by computer.
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