short lamed
At least for an ashkenazi, this must be fixed, and can not be left as is.
At least for an ashkenazi, this must be fixed, and can not be left as is.
How about the Bais of Uleovdo?
At least for an ashkenazi, this must be fixed, and can not be left as is.
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ReplyDeleteWe've been through all this before. I'm pretty sure it's not hard to conclude that Temunat HaOtiyot's interpretation of some rishonim is not in accordance with how Ashkenazim are noheg today lema'aseh. It's important to recognise this point if you are a magiha for the public, irrespective of how you personally write for yourself.
ReplyDeleteToday we have a specific minhag and psak. We also have poskim to consult when attempting to change that.
This is very different from the previous discussion. We are discussing here not the Hashkafa of how to write lechatchila, but if such a lamed is kosher bedieved according to "modern standards." The reference to Tmunas Ha'Osios and Patshegen HaKsav was only a side note. Practically speaking, I have never heard of a Rav actually passeling a lamed written without a flat moshav even for Ashkenazim, provided the regel is clearly curved and not completely vertical. See Mishnas HaSofer 5:109.
DeleteIt is precisely because of the strength in tradition from our Rishonim that we cannot invalidate such a Lamed. However, for Ashkenazim, the minhag has changed, especially as most have taken up the Mishna Berurah as binding halacha. As such, this Lamed should be corrected to conform to modern standards. Thank you R. Moshe for constantly bringing up examples such as this.
ReplyDeleteMy intention was to affirm Rav Moshe's comment that it should be fixed, not to comment on whether a lamed with a diagonal regel is Pasul or not.
ReplyDeleteBy quoting temunat haotiyot you give the impression that it is not only kosher as is but that it should be left that way. Apologies if I misunderstood.
As lemaaseh, it is kosher, whether it should be fixed is dependent on the overall level of the ksav (desired). If the mezuzah is a low end, bedieved mezuzah and is to be left that way then it could be left as is. Obviously, it does need to be fixed to be lechatchila.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the this lamed isn't a shaylas tinok of a yud!
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ReplyDeleteThis is a lamed, albeit bedieved due to the short neck, which some hold can be made lechatchila with scratching. This is a Sephardi ksav so the moshav is fine for them and bedieved as is for Ashkenazim.
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