Yerios in a Megillah
Shulchan Aruch Y"D 271 and Keset Hasofer (13:3) say that a yeriah in a sefer torah must have a minimum of 3 columns. Does this apply to megillos as well? I would think that it doesn't because we do not keep the other minhagim about the dimensions of yerios in a Sefer Torah i.e. 42 lines and the (much denounced in earlier sefarim) vavei ha'amudim. Furthermore, in the 11 line GR"A megillos I've seen, the maximum of eight columns is also ignored.
That being said, does anyone have any further sources or psakim on the issue? It would help me to sew a single amud cut from another piece of parchment into the rest of a megillas Esther, but I'm reluctant to do it because I have never seen a precedent.
Hope everyone has a good Civil New Year if it affects any of you who are fulltime klei kodesh anyway :)
That being said, does anyone have any further sources or psakim on the issue? It would help me to sew a single amud cut from another piece of parchment into the rest of a megillas Esther, but I'm reluctant to do it because I have never seen a precedent.
Hope everyone has a good Civil New Year if it affects any of you who are fulltime klei kodesh anyway :)
"we do not keep the other minhagim about the dimensions of yerios in a Sefer Torah i.e. 42 lines
ReplyDeleteRESON FOR MINIMUM 42 LINES IS FOR SHIRAS HAYAM MINIMUM FOR ESTER IS 11 FOR SHIRAS ASERES BNEI HAMAN
and the (much denounced in earlier sefarim) vavei ha'amudim.
NOT A HALACHA
Furthermore, in the 11 line GR"A megillos I've seen, the maximum of eight columns is also ignored."
STATED AS A FACT BUT IS WRONG
A SEFER TORAH GETS 3 ETZBAOT ON TOP AND 4 ON BOTTOM MEGILA AS NEVIIM GET 2 ON TOP AND 3 ON BOTTOM SINCE THEY ARE USED LESS OFTEN.
RAMBAM STATES(SORRY I DONT HAVE IT WITH ME)THAT ALL HALACHOT OF WRITING TORAH ARE BY MEGILLA ALSO
Shiras Hayam is 32 lines (5 above and 5 below in our sefarim. Rambam's sefrei torah were 51 if it matters). I know that vavei ha'amudim are not halacha; should have left them out to avoid raising side issues.
ReplyDeleteI can't find the Rambam you mention but his list of things that are m'akev (תמוס"ת 10:1) does not include the number of amudim per yeriah. So I know that it isn't ideal but my question is really is it "just" a lack of hiddur or does it make the megillah בדיעבד?
shiras hayam as in hilchos sefer torah starts with habaim it must have these lines on top (as apposed to vavai amudim ) since it is from the six columns that must start with specific word ב-י-ה -ש-מ-ו see mesecta sofrim 12
ReplyDeletehere is reference in meseches sofrim columns per yeria the seee keses 13-4 and lishka9
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33833&st=&pgnum=8
i will try to find rambam
SORRY!!
ReplyDeleteI quoted Rambam in earlier post, I made a mistake.I just reviewed lishakas hasofer siman 28-4:
hagahot maymonios is the one that holds megila is like sefer tora unless otherwise specified in talmud.However the shulchan aruch and most poskim hold that only the halachot mentioned in regard to megila as the sewing and the sirtut have the same halacha as sefer torah.
OUTCOME: if you may write 10 columns on one yeria is machlokes hagahot maymonioyos and other poskim.
Either way, I decided not to get into shailos and bought replacement klaf from your store shortly after posting this.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note off of somehting you mentioned:
הבאים is the Heh of b'kah sh'mo but does it have to be? I.e. is the word davka or can it just as easily be הלכו?
@beis hastam and yitzhak
ReplyDeleteTheres a new 48 lines torah tikkun, which is the preferable minmum according to the keset.
I wrote about this in more details in my blog last year