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We all know that there is no ancient source that requires ink to be מן המותר בפיך . Possibly, as said here before, because in the olden days ink was always מן המותר בפיך and the question was never raised. It was probably self-evident. Nowadays, no decent Rav will approve an ink which is not מן המותר בפיך . Who was the first one to raise this question? Was it raised because of animal ingredients or because of non-kosher wine?
Question to Yosef Chaim B
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Zvi
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Thank you for commenting on my ink article. In your comment you stated: "Many poskim disagree... Many rishonim have clearly stated the use of our ingredients." Would you please be kind enough to teach us (so I can include it in the article) which Poskim and what exactly and where did they say that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן that does not fail? We are not interested in biased פילפולים , or in those who said that דיו עשן is not being used because it fails easily or because it was not known how to make good quality דיו עשן. Nor are we interested in those who said to use עפצים וקנקנתום וגומא ואין לשנות when they discussed specifically the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink. We are interested to find out where and who (if any) said explicitly, based on sources, that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן , even when there is דיו עשן of good quality that does not ...
Indeed, these are being printed in Ashkelon... BEWARE!!!
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Are they obviously printed (ie on paper or with obvious texture) or are they using some kind of screen or stencil to make the letters, which is harder to detect?
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DeleteAlberto, if it was only Ashkelon, it wouldn't be so bad....
ReplyDeleteI try very hard to have my own sofrim, even though it is a lot of work, and only buy from wholesalers as a last resort. (And anything I sell geder "Mehudar", I personally know the sofer, or know of him and what his ksav looks like. The chances of ending up with forgeries is much greater when buying from a wholesaler, and even if the wholesaler is ehrlich, there is a good chance the wholesaler won't know, because he probably isn't dealing first hand with the forger.
It used to be that you could tell the fake ones because many of them would be identical. The Ashkelon racket however had computer technology that altered the lettering so that no two were identical.
You can, however, see in the picture I posted that the letters ended up a fraction over the sirtut, (not directly under the sirtut as most sofrim are trained to write). This is a giveaway, as would be if the writing was a fraction under as well. (You cannot make the sirtut after the printing).
It is much harder to forge parshiyos or sifrei torah with such machines,so the main problem is mezuzos.
The mezuzos they found were higher quality, not pshutim, which makes sense. I think most forgers who are already doing a very professional job would want to get more money for their efforts.
Bottom line, write them yourself or buy from sofrim you know.
Indeed, that is the first thing one notices. The letters don't align well under the sirtut. Likewise, they also rotate different screens so that they will not all be identical. It's a sad situation. There is nothing sacred anymore. The ESH ZARAH comes even into the KODESH KODASHIM.
ReplyDeleteAnd they made such a fuss about the peeling retzuos, which was accidental and no where near as shocking...
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