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Dovid Nissan Bressman
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Would one rely on the reading of a tinok in these long curved yudim?
Following the opinion of the Maharshag. What is the border line?
Hi Dovid, Great question! A long Yud, as above, is only problematic when dealing with the modern Ketav Ashkenaz as the proportioning of the letter is normally restricted to a height of 3 Kolmosim.
However, a Ketav Sepharadi is proportioned differently. The height of the Sephardic writ can extend from 3.5 Kolmosim to sometimes 4 Kolmosim in height. Therefore, what appears to be in one Ketav as a long YOD may not necessarily be the case when considering another writ.
Therefore, when a rule gets established that a VAV is 3 Kolmosim tall, we must comprehend that this is not a universal rule. Rather, it is only relative to the tradition which the posek is documenting.
In the above case, the YODS are valid, for the proportioning of the Ketav is almost 4 Kolmosim tall.
One must understand that in the above case, there are no clear "generic" border line guidelines. Likewise, one does not need a tinok. All that is needed is a true sense of proportionality.
The 2nd Yud in kimei is the worst of the 3 shown.Were it straight it would be a shailos tinok. However, because it's angled I'd say it just passes. Were it any longer, the angling would not save it from a shailas tonok.
We all know that there is no ancient source that requires ink to be מן המותר בפיך . Possibly, as said here before, because in the olden days ink was always מן המותר בפיך and the question was never raised. It was probably self-evident. Nowadays, no decent Rav will approve an ink which is not מן המותר בפיך . Who was the first one to raise this question? Was it raised because of animal ingredients or because of non-kosher wine?
Thank you for commenting on my ink article. In your comment you stated: "Many poskim disagree... Many rishonim have clearly stated the use of our ingredients." Would you please be kind enough to teach us (so I can include it in the article) which Poskim and what exactly and where did they say that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן that does not fail? We are not interested in biased פילפולים , or in those who said that דיו עשן is not being used because it fails easily or because it was not known how to make good quality דיו עשן. Nor are we interested in those who said to use עפצים וקנקנתום וגומא ואין לשנות when they discussed specifically the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink. We are interested to find out where and who (if any) said explicitly, based on sources, that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן , even when there is דיו עשן of good quality that does not ...
Hi Dovid,
ReplyDeleteGreat question! A long Yud, as above, is only problematic when dealing with the modern Ketav Ashkenaz as the proportioning of the letter is normally restricted to a height of 3 Kolmosim.
However, a Ketav Sepharadi is proportioned differently. The height of the Sephardic writ can extend from 3.5 Kolmosim to sometimes 4 Kolmosim in height. Therefore, what appears to be in one Ketav as a long YOD may not necessarily be the case when considering another writ.
Therefore, when a rule gets established that a VAV is 3 Kolmosim tall, we must comprehend that this is not a universal rule. Rather, it is only relative to the tradition which the posek is documenting.
In the above case, the YODS are valid, for the proportioning of the Ketav is almost 4 Kolmosim tall.
One must understand that in the above case, there are no clear "generic" border line guidelines. Likewise, one does not need a tinok. All that is needed is a true sense of proportionality.
The 2nd Yud in kimei is the worst of the 3 shown.Were it straight it would be a shailos tinok. However, because it's angled I'd say it just passes. Were it any longer, the angling would not save it from a shailas tonok.
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