FRUM TINOK

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many times there is a tiny pgima, this was a bit worsesince it has a kotz sticking out, this is the first time a tinok called it gimel.

The first vav passed but the second vav was read as a zein. I tested the tinok and came back to this shaila after asking many random letters and he said zein again, He then started doubting if its vav or obviously posul.

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  1. Avi H.February 8, 2016 at 8:01 PM

    Wow! From the picture I'm not sure I even would've made a shaylas tinok. I'll keep this in mind iy"H. Yasher Koach! Agav, I like the peys.

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    1. Avi H.February 8, 2016 at 8:02 PM

      The pey in the second picture obviously.

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    2. pesachFebruary 9, 2016 at 1:49 AM

      Reb Eli,

      i had a very similar case with a mezuzah i had written. when i gave it to reb yakov long to look at he told me that it was a shailas chacham because of how subtle it was. i brought it to rav mordechai friedlander. he held it up to the light, turned it every which way, took off his glasses, closed-then-reopened his eyes....he didn't even want to say that it was 'pasul' but he said it had to be 'put away.' i believe your tinok is on to something, mate.

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    3. Avi H.February 9, 2016 at 8:37 AM

      You had a case like the nun or the vav?

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    4. Rabbi Eli GutnickFebruary 9, 2016 at 11:09 AM

      Any pgam substantially less than a regular gimmel will still be geder shailos tinok. If the P'gam was "subtle" why did R Friedlander put aside without shailos tinok?

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    5. Rabbi Eli GutnickFebruary 9, 2016 at 11:14 AM

      Unless you're talking about the vov, which would also warrant S"T if it was indeed subtle. If it was a gimmel or vov similar to these pics surely it should (at worst) be a S"T

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    6. Beis HastamFebruary 16, 2016 at 7:12 PM

      There is a major difference between a pgima and a little kotz sticking out

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  2. AharonFebruary 9, 2016 at 9:57 AM

    The Vav of Uchsavtem appears to have similar characteristics

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  3. Avi H.February 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM

    My first comment was regarding the second picture. As far as the giel-nun, I would be afraid to even make a shaylas tinok, since such gimels are often not recognizable to out tinokos nowadays.

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  4. Avi H.February 9, 2016 at 1:51 PM

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