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Zvi
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Thank you for commenting on my ink article. In your comment you stated: "Many poskim disagree... Many rishonim have clearly stated the use of our ingredients." Would you please be kind enough to teach us (so I can include it in the article) which Poskim and what exactly and where did they say that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן that does not fail? We are not interested in biased פילפולים , or in those who said that דיו עשן is not being used because it fails easily or because it was not known how to make good quality דיו עשן. Nor are we interested in those who said to use עפצים וקנקנתום וגומא ואין לשנות when they discussed specifically the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink. We are interested to find out where and who (if any) said explicitly, based on sources, that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן , even when there is דיו עשן of good quality that does not ...
This is called "Taz" - meaning that there is a Parsha Stuma -combining the 2 spaces for a 9 yudim space.
ReplyDeleteMany Ashkenazim follow the Taz, and do so.
It's very tight. Perhaps R' Zev is concerned it's too tight. Less than 9 yudin combined is possel even according to those who interpret the Taz the way R' Moshe explains above (Mishnah Brurah)...
ReplyDeleteThey're isn't 9 yudin.
ReplyDeleteThis doesn't pass even according to taz.
Perhaps cutting the last parsha off so that it's a separate piece can make these kosher.
I don't know because I never looked into what the poskim say about such a solution.
לעניות דעתי זה לא עוזר להכשיר בשל יד
DeleteI haven't looked into it,
DeleteBut R' Moshe please explain why you think it's not a solution.
if you judge the end of the parsha by rov shuros there is almost nothing after shema
ReplyDeleteExtend the Dalet and tav of shma. Then thicken the nun of בין, and it'll be fine.
ReplyDeleteI would fix it by simply adding to the letters of the end of the lines. The only one you can't really add much to is the yud from anochi. Be careful with the chof pshutah, don't thicken the gug too much unless you are thickening the regel too (and lengthening it a fraction). But even without the yud and chof pshutah you would still have majority of lines longer. (still might be kedai to widen the yud and chof pshutah marginally so there is no space of three yudin at end of their line.) It might look a bit ugly after tikkun but at least it will be kosher. You can even add a drop to the beginning of each line of the parsha vi"s (just when thickening the vovs, start at the bottom and angle up to the right to widen, don't start at the top or you will potentially create a zayin). I can see this parsha being saved easily. If anyone wants I am happy to print it out, make the corrections, and there will easily be 9 to 10 yudin between them...
ReplyDeleteR' Eli,
DeleteCan you please do that?
I'd love to see it cuz I'm having difficulty imagining it.
Tx!
R' Eli,
DeleteCan you please do that?
I'd love to see it cuz I'm having difficulty imagining it.
Tx!
IY"H I'll try and print out the image and do it in the coming days. I'll upload it as a new post...
DeleteIY"H I'll try and print out the image and do it in the coming days. I'll upload it as a new post...
DeleteAri, as my kids say, that was a "jinx". We were both writing the same idea at the same time. I would think though that if you lengthen the nun, you would do it in the same way as the the cof pshutah i.e. only a fraction of the gug before thickening the regel and then add a bit more to the guy (so as to ensure you don't turn it into a chof pshutah). And, as in all these types of tikkunim, watch out for Panim Chadshos...
ReplyDeleteWhat does this say about the sofer's Chezkas Kashrus?
ReplyDeleteWhat does this say about the sofer's Chezkas Kashrus?
ReplyDeleteI can see how the Sofer may have mistaken to think there is 9 yudin.
DeleteI'm just not sure why he needed to be "mehader";)