Last week I posted some thoughts in response to a public lecture given by Rabbi Reuvain Mendlowitz regarding Ksav Chabad (the Alter Rebbe's ksav). I felt he did not represent the issue fairly, and since I had received questions about it from a number of people I felt it made sense to write a general response. After I posted my response on this forum, Rabbi Mendlowitz reached out to me by email and we ended up having a respectful and productive email exchange regarding the relevant issues surrounding Ksav Chabad. His position is a lot clearer to me now, and I think he also took certain things on board that I clarified with him. The purpose of the Stam Forum (at least back in it's heyday before all the whats app groups took over) was to connect sofrim from around the world, to promote achdus and build bridges, as well as to offer support and advice. In that spirit, I felt I should write a follow up post, to clarify some of the issues and misconception...
Sorry, my autocorrect put shkoyach instead of shkiyah, I've changed it now
ReplyDeleteIf within the shiur hameakev you need to suggest they put them on again and out of the shiur it's worthwhile suggesting to anyone who wants to be yotzeh lechatchila.
ReplyDeleteFor both my benefit as well as others who may read this, what is the shiur hameakev you refer to?
DeleteThe shiur hameakev is what is wrapped around the arm till the end of the finger three times in the most stretched out way. On the shel rosh which drapes (from the right side) till the navel and from the left side which drapes till the chest.
ReplyDeleteSee Shulchan Aruch HaRav 33:6.
If I remember correctly you may stretch the retzua and do the three crichos however if he wrapped his arm , and the three crichos were done with posul retzuos ,he should put on again.
DeleteThe shiur hameakev for the shel rosh is the part that goes around the head, the knot plus 2 tefachim.
ReplyDeleteWhile bedieved the shel yad should be long enough to wrap around the arm and 3x around the finger, if, bshaas hadchak, one only has enough to wrap around the arm and tuck it in to hold in place or, lo aleinu, one does not have a lower arm, he fulfills the mitzvah. Wouldn't this then be the shiur hameakev?
Thank you. at any rate, most white marks are around or near the kesher. So in such a case, I should tell the customer to put on again, assuming it is the same day and still before shkiyah
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