Dear Readers and Members, The forum has been down for over 6 months because the domain name (www.stamforum.com) lapsed and it is no longer available to re purchase. Although this forum is now defunct (it has morphed into several whatsapp groups), I have had many requests to put it back online because it contains so much information (over 1,800 posts and thousands of comments in the discussions, on a wide range of topics related to STa"M). I have therefore put the forum back online at blogger, so the address is www.stamforum.blogspot.com. The forum lasted for a decade...not a bad effort! It was pretty popular back in the days before whatsapp and managed to receive over a million hits in it's short life. It was one of the only organised forums in the STa"M world and definitely the largest in it's heyday. I would like to thank all those who cobtributed over the years, particularly the early members who helped build it up. Thanking you all, Eli
Sorry, my autocorrect put shkoyach instead of shkiyah, I've changed it now
ReplyDeleteIf within the shiur hameakev you need to suggest they put them on again and out of the shiur it's worthwhile suggesting to anyone who wants to be yotzeh lechatchila.
ReplyDeleteFor both my benefit as well as others who may read this, what is the shiur hameakev you refer to?
DeleteThe shiur hameakev is what is wrapped around the arm till the end of the finger three times in the most stretched out way. On the shel rosh which drapes (from the right side) till the navel and from the left side which drapes till the chest.
ReplyDeleteSee Shulchan Aruch HaRav 33:6.
If I remember correctly you may stretch the retzua and do the three crichos however if he wrapped his arm , and the three crichos were done with posul retzuos ,he should put on again.
DeleteThe shiur hameakev for the shel rosh is the part that goes around the head, the knot plus 2 tefachim.
ReplyDeleteWhile bedieved the shel yad should be long enough to wrap around the arm and 3x around the finger, if, bshaas hadchak, one only has enough to wrap around the arm and tuck it in to hold in place or, lo aleinu, one does not have a lower arm, he fulfills the mitzvah. Wouldn't this then be the shiur hameakev?
Thank you. at any rate, most white marks are around or near the kesher. So in such a case, I should tell the customer to put on again, assuming it is the same day and still before shkiyah
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