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The second zayin is equaly pasul as the first. Its combination of being a backward nun, and the foot not centered well, totaly lost its tzura for a zayin. For better view enlarge.
I beleive Rabbi Weiner is right. Have a look at Mishnat Hasofer nun gimel at the lishkat hasofer. It talks about both a gag that is 3 kulmusim and the backwards nun.
I agree that it looks like a backwards nun which is a machlokes haposkim for itself. The Mharsha"g Responsa 1:8 was not worried about the letter being called a nun hafucha since we judge the letter only how it looks in its proper posture, he goes after shailos tinok in such a case. The Mishnas HaSofer Ois Zain Yalkut Hasofer is machriah when it is a small blita going to the right he is machshir with a tinok, as opposed when it is a nun mamash (which has a good moshav (which in this case was my doubt if this is a complete nun mamash with a big moshav). I understand that you posuled it out of combination of this together that it is not centered well. However the head of the second nun is definately less than 3 kolmosim wide (which would be a shinui tzura for itself).
We all know that there is no ancient source that requires ink to be מן המותר בפיך . Possibly, as said here before, because in the olden days ink was always מן המותר בפיך and the question was never raised. It was probably self-evident. Nowadays, no decent Rav will approve an ink which is not מן המותר בפיך . Who was the first one to raise this question? Was it raised because of animal ingredients or because of non-kosher wine?
Thank you for commenting on my ink article. In your comment you stated: "Many poskim disagree... Many rishonim have clearly stated the use of our ingredients." Would you please be kind enough to teach us (so I can include it in the article) which Poskim and what exactly and where did they say that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן that does not fail? We are not interested in biased פילפולים , or in those who said that דיו עשן is not being used because it fails easily or because it was not known how to make good quality דיו עשן. Nor are we interested in those who said to use עפצים וקנקנתום וגומא ואין לשנות when they discussed specifically the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink. We are interested to find out where and who (if any) said explicitly, based on sources, that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן , even when there is דיו עשן of good quality that does not ...
Certainly the right zain is shinui tzura but the left zain is not bidieved fixable? explain please.
ReplyDeleteThe second zayin is equaly pasul as the first. Its combination of being a backward nun, and the foot not centered well, totaly lost its tzura for a zayin.
ReplyDeleteFor better view enlarge.
I beleive Rabbi Weiner is right. Have a look at Mishnat Hasofer nun gimel at the lishkat hasofer. It talks about both a gag that is 3 kulmusim and the backwards nun.
ReplyDeleteI agree that it looks like a backwards nun which is a machlokes haposkim for itself. The Mharsha"g Responsa 1:8 was not worried about the letter being called a nun hafucha since we judge the letter only how it looks in its proper posture, he goes after shailos tinok in such a case.
ReplyDeleteThe Mishnas HaSofer Ois Zain Yalkut Hasofer is machriah when it is a small blita going to the right he is machshir with a tinok, as opposed when it is a nun mamash (which has a good moshav (which in this case was my doubt if this is a complete nun mamash with a big moshav).
I understand that you posuled it out of combination of this together that it is not centered well.
However the head of the second nun is definately less than 3 kolmosim wide (which would be a shinui tzura for itself).