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Ink, Kosher vs. non-Kosher
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Zvi
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We all know that there is no ancient source that requires ink to be מן המותר בפיך . Possibly, as said here before, because in the olden days ink was always מן המותר בפיך and the question was never raised. It was probably self-evident. Nowadays, no decent Rav will approve an ink which is not מן המותר בפיך . Who was the first one to raise this question? Was it raised because of animal ingredients or because of non-kosher wine?
Question to Yosef Chaim B
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Zvi
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Thank you for commenting on my ink article. In your comment you stated: "Many poskim disagree... Many rishonim have clearly stated the use of our ingredients." Would you please be kind enough to teach us (so I can include it in the article) which Poskim and what exactly and where did they say that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן that does not fail? We are not interested in biased פילפולים , or in those who said that דיו עשן is not being used because it fails easily or because it was not known how to make good quality דיו עשן. Nor are we interested in those who said to use עפצים וקנקנתום וגומא ואין לשנות when they discussed specifically the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink. We are interested to find out where and who (if any) said explicitly, based on sources, that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן , even when there is דיו עשן of good quality that does not ...
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ReplyDeleteRegel shorter than the Gag. Maybe a Kosher Yud...
Its a machlokes when it's the big daled of echad. Lemaysa it's fixable
DeleteThe Tag is bigger than the Regel. Maybe a Lamed?
ReplyDeleteI can't believe anyone would mistake this for anything other than a dalet.
DeleteOf course not. But stylistic letters are not kosher, even though they're unmistakable to us in this generation. There are rules. a Yud with three tails may still look a Yud to us, but it's not a Yud, leHalacha.
ReplyDeletesee biur halacha page 88
ReplyDeleteמלא או"ק- ואם זה הכתב הוא מכתב בינוני לכאורה דאין מועיל אם כמלא או"ק הוא מכתב קטן דאל"כ אין שיעור לדבר אבל אם זה מכתב גדול נראה דבודאי מהני אם כמאו"ק הוא מכתב בינוני
I have never understood this biur halacha , what is "small ksav and what is medium ksav and what is big ksav, big and small is a relative issue.
I must thank Rabbi Nuson Oberlander for explaining this biur halacha to our situation- in a sefer torah where there is reg ksav and then we have gdolos and ktanos -the biur halacha holds that os ktana from the reg ksav is good for an os gdola however a short regel for reg ksav of that s"t cannot be measured with an os ktana (ktana and gedola mean the osios from mesora big and small)
A regel must be a minimum of a maleh os ketana, which is a kulmus, according to the more lenient opinion (unlike the M"B who says maleh os ketana it means a Yud - kulmus plus a bit) and this leg is even less than a kulmus of this ksav. Do we judge the length of the regel by this larger letter's kulmus or by the kulmus of the standard size letters? As R' Eli said, lemaaseh, it can be fixed however, the level of kashrus may be affected.
ReplyDeleteSo why not just consider the thickness of the regel as the עובי קולמוס and the gag as very tall?
ReplyDeleteSorry, I don't follow. The regel must be at least the height of the head (or the head and a bit according to the MB). The question in this case of a large letter is whether we require the height of the regel to be at least the height of the head of the same letter or must it be at least as tall as the height of the head of the normal letters.
ReplyDeleteMaybe one day we can discuss in person IYH.
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