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Question to Yosef Chaim B
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Zvi
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Thank you for commenting on my ink article. In your comment you stated: "Many poskim disagree... Many rishonim have clearly stated the use of our ingredients." Would you please be kind enough to teach us (so I can include it in the article) which Poskim and what exactly and where did they say that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן that does not fail? We are not interested in biased פילפולים , or in those who said that דיו עשן is not being used because it fails easily or because it was not known how to make good quality דיו עשן. Nor are we interested in those who said to use עפצים וקנקנתום וגומא ואין לשנות when they discussed specifically the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink. We are interested to find out where and who (if any) said explicitly, based on sources, that the עפצים וקנקנתום type of ink is preferable over good quality דיו עשן , even when there is דיו עשן of good quality that does not ...
See Shevat HaLevi Chelek 8 Siman 12 ois 6
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Not mamash the same. The Beis here seems somewhat 'worse'
I agree that a tinok should work. The thick high Ekev of (Ksav A. Rebbe) throws it off from assuming to take the status of a nun.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion is that a tinok will NOT help since the difference of a beis and nun is that the nuns moshav is wide.I WOULD BE IT MACHSHIR FOR A NUN WITH A TINOK.Mikdash Me'at brings Levush, Pri Megadim and explains Darkei Moshe that nun with wide head is kosher if moshav is wider.
ReplyDeleteyehoshua:i think we have wrong address for shevet halevi
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ReplyDeleteThe Mikdash Maat Ois ב: sif katan 10 explains when in doubt if the beis could look like a nun because the gag is shorter than the moshav a tinok helps.
ReplyDeleteSee also the Mishnas Sofrim Ois ב that explains when in doubt since the gag is very short we go after a tinok.
In addition to this, the high thick ekev of the ב helps.
I asked R' Shammai Gross today. He said mitzad the short rosh and problem of looking like a Nun it's ok. In regards to looking like a proper beis he also said is ok -- no shailos tinnok.
ReplyDeleteI think a tinok can be asked.
ReplyDeleteI think a tinok should be asked.
Mitzad it maybe being like a nun or if it's a proper beis?
ReplyDeleteI would say this: it doesn't look at all like a nun. But since the gag is short and a tinok may not recognize it as a beis, he might take a further step thinking its a messed-up nun. so both are correct!
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